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    IMPORTANT: Feedback Request Forum

    It was recently suggested that we add a forum for requesting feedback for our submissions to the library! You can find the new forum, which should be members only, here, in addition to the rules which you can find here.

    We are looking for some feedback regarding this section. @Penguinball and I were discussing it and thought that this would be a good discussion and opportunity to get feedback about this. We seemed to agree that there are two schools of thoughts when it comes to feedback - there are those of us who want "oh, I really liked this/didn't like this" and may not be looking to fix anything with that particular piece, and there are those who want more detailed feedback so that they can make appropriate changes to improve it.

    Those who just want the general reviews may be more willing to share their raw writing, whereas those who are looking for the more honest, detailed feedback may be more hesitant to do so, which is likely one reason as to why there aren't as many submissions to the library being made. As far as feedback goes, there are those who are more comfortable giving or receiving their feedback in a less public matter, such as in a Google doc. While we are totally okay with this, we also want to encourage members to give each other their feedback through the review feature of the library, so that newer members can see that yes, members are being given feedback.

    So, what do you guys think? What's the easiest way to handle this? Should we give those who wish to give more detailed feedback the option of doing so in a Google doc rather than in a public matter? Or is there maybe something else that neither of us are currently thinking of?

    Additionally, we were uncertain as to whether or not we should have a hard cap for the amount of submissions a member can ask for feedback on. For example, let's say Joe Shmoe comes along and he has ten different stories that he's submitted to the library. Should he be able to request feedback on all ten submissions at once, and make ten different posts requesting feedback? Or should we have a cap of, say, five submissions that he's allowed to ask for feedback for at once?

    Do you have any feedback for the rules for requesting feedback that you can think of and should be added?



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    So, what do you guys think? What's the easiest way to handle this? Should we give those who wish to give more detailed feedback the option of doing so in a Google doc rather than in a public matter?

    Yes, absolutely. Reading a piece of writing and being able to add comments at the same time makes it much easier to give detailed feedback. With the current library system, line edits or feedback like "I like this sentence/how you worded this" is very hard to give, since we'd need to quote it first, which will make us jump to the review text field, and then scroll back and search for the part where we stopped reading in order to read on. In fact, it has stopped me from reviewing stories before.

    Should he be able to request feedback on all ten submissions at once, and make ten different posts requesting feedback? Or should we have a cap of, say, five submissions that he's allowed to ask for feedback for at once?

    I think that it's common sense not to spam the forum like that. It also depends on what kind of story someone is looking for feedback for - say member A posted 5 chapters or stories with 5k each, while member B is looking for feedback for 10 flash fiction pieces with 500 words each - member B is actually posting far less content than member A, but wouldn't be allowed to ask for feedback for all of them if there was a cap.
    I'd not put up any rules for that at the moment, they can still be added if it turns out to be necessary.

    Do you have any feedback for the rules for requesting feedback that you can think of and should be added?

    In the form it says "feedback" where it should say "critique" instead according to the definition you made at the beginning of the rules post.
    There's nothing I can think of that should be added at the moment.

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    I think the rules look pretty good as is.  I particularly like the difference of emphasis on review vs critique.  I love getting reviews pretty much always and forever, but critiques can be a little tougher to handle, and are a lot more work to create.

    On the matter of capping requests, I think people should limit themselves to creating one request thread per week, but with in that thread request feed back on as much work as they like (bearing in mind, they might overwhelm prospective reviewers and end up with nothing).  I think most people will be fairly reasonable on the matter given this flexibility, and it will avoid the problem of more prolific writers "spamming" up the forum and bumping their potentially more time constrained peers into the black hole that is the history of the internet.

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    Late reply is late. XD

    On 4/22/2019 at 4:59 AM, Manu said:

    So, what do you guys think? What's the easiest way to handle this? Should we give those who wish to give more detailed feedback the option of doing so in a Google doc rather than in a public matter?

    Yes, absolutely. Reading a piece of writing and being able to add comments at the same time makes it much easier to give detailed feedback. With the current library system, line edits or feedback like "I like this sentence/how you worded this" is very hard to give, since we'd need to quote it first, which will make us jump to the review text field, and then scroll back and search for the part where we stopped reading in order to read on. In fact, it has stopped me from reviewing stories before.

    Should he be able to request feedback on all ten submissions at once, and make ten different posts requesting feedback? Or should we have a cap of, say, five submissions that he's allowed to ask for feedback for at once?

    I think that it's common sense not to spam the forum like that. It also depends on what kind of story someone is looking for feedback for - say member A posted 5 chapters or stories with 5k each, while member B is looking for feedback for 10 flash fiction pieces with 500 words each - member B is actually posting far less content than member A, but wouldn't be allowed to ask for feedback for all of them if there was a cap.
    I'd not put up any rules for that at the moment, they can still be added if it turns out to be necessary.

    Do you have any feedback for the rules for requesting feedback that you can think of and should be added?

    In the form it says "feedback" where it should say "critique" instead according to the definition you made at the beginning of the rules post.
    There's nothing I can think of that should be added at the moment.

    On the one hand I totally get where you're coming from with your reply regarding the jumping up and down - it does get annoying, though it doesnt' really bother me, personally. On the other I'm kind of like 😐 because we HAVE this library where reviews can be given and I don't want new members to look and assume that no one is giving reviews to anyone and decide that it's not worth it to submit/be a member. That being said, I have nothing against people using Google docs in order to give more in-depth feedback. I was talking with @Penguinball again and she said that maybe we could ask people to just drop a comment saying "hey, I reviewed this" and maybe go as far as leaving a summary review of it, just so that people know that while someone gave in-depth feedback elsewhere, they also have a summary review to read for themselves in the library, if that makes sense.

    Common sense, maybe, but not everyone follows it 😛 Lol. (I should say that no one here is really guilty of that, though. It's really more of a cautionary rule.) I get what you mean, I'm just not sure if I entirely agree that there should be no rule about it right now, but I'm not really against waiting to add it in.

    Ah, I'll fix it.

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    On 4/22/2019 at 6:15 PM, Tangwystle said:

    I think the rules look pretty good as is.  I particularly like the difference of emphasis on review vs critique.  I love getting reviews pretty much always and forever, but critiques can be a little tougher to handle, and are a lot more work to create.

    On the matter of capping requests, I think people should limit themselves to creating one request thread per week, but with in that thread request feed back on as much work as they like (bearing in mind, they might overwhelm prospective reviewers and end up with nothing).  I think most people will be fairly reasonable on the matter given this flexibility, and it will avoid the problem of more prolific writers "spamming" up the forum and bumping their potentially more time constrained peers into the black hole that is the history of the internet.

    So basically kind of like a portfolio thread for each individual author? Like, you make a post and list all of the submissions you've made to the library with links as "open for feedback" or whatever, and then you reply to that post whenever you wanna be like "still seeking feedback for X, Y and Z" or "no longer seeking feedback for A, B and C"? Hm. I think this could maybe work.

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    So, what do you guys think? What's the easiest way to handle this? Should we give those who wish to give more detailed feedback the option of doing so in a Google doc rather than in a public matter? Or is there maybe something else that neither of us are currently thinking of? 
     

    I think that the review/critique for spelling/grammar/sentence structure is better in Google Docs because it helps the reviewer to be more succinct and detailed at the same time.  Concepts, characterization, etc can both be critiqued or simply reviewed in the library, because they're more for overarching pieces of the work rather than nitty gritty details.  If that is the general understanding of the function of the library, then people may feel more at ease/liberated to leave reviews/critiques.

    Should he be able to request feedback on all ten submissions at once, and make ten different posts requesting feedback? Or should we have a cap of, say, five submissions that he's allowed to ask for feedback for at once?

    I'm kind of on board with the idea of authors having a thread where they can ask for feedback on multiple works rather than making a lot of posts.  If these posts are author-centric, then they should be fairly on point.  But it might be a case where we'll have to just try a system and see how it works.

    Do you have any feedback for the rules for requesting feedback that you can think of and should be added?

    I can't think of anything that hasn't already been covered.

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